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Hitogeki
Joined: May 19,
2002

HAVE YOU ALL
IGNORED THE TRUTH?
they are never making fallout 3, no they
are going to do what the lsl series did with lsl4 and go
striaght ot the next one, I await theee fallout 4!

Jun 09, 2003: 12:05

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biteme
Joined: Jun 01,
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quote:

Mr.Balls came out of the closet to say:

My
point was that I don't want to see fallout as people(vary
profassional gaem dasignarz) were defining it in Fallout 3
wishlist thread. God I was weeping when I saw people
introducing "their own and unique" ideas.

I must have been reading a different
thread. The ideas were for the most part sane and more on the
cautious 'evolutionary' side than
pro-revolutionary.

Ropekid posted in that thread as
well. And it wasn't a quick developer .plan blurb, it was a
huge goddamned post.

You must be one terminally jaded
rpg system-churning ubermensch hermit if that one wishlist
thread(far better than most any FO wishlists threads get) made
you tear up.

Jun 09, 2003: 12:14

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brian
Joined: Sep 11,
2001

quote:

Mos came out of the closet to say:

Can
Fallout 3 have a fiddle?

plz

I'm pro this movement and also the
inclusion of hats in the game.

Jun 09, 2003: 12:24

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CaptainScraps
Joined: Jan 31,
2003

I'm for the
inclusion of muffin mix within the box. While we wait for it
to install, we can make muffins and then eat them while we're
playing.

Jun 09, 2003: 12:28

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Mr.Balls
Joined: Jun 04,
2001

quote:

biteme came out of the closet to say:

I must have been reading a different
thread. The ideas were for the most part sane and more on
the cautious 'evolutionary' side than
pro-revolutionary.

Ropekid posted in that thread as
well. And it wasn't a quick developer .plan blurb, it was a
huge goddamned post.

You must be one terminally jaded
rpg system-churning ubermensch hermit if that one wishlist
thread(far better than most any FO wishlists threads get)
made you tear up.

I don't know. To me fallout was always a
story and some of the posts resembled me of Diablo2-like
uber-powering of the character. This uber-powering was present
in Fallout 2, however that doesn't make it a less of an game
than Fallout 1. In fallout 2, there was just huge amount of
relevant stuff, and you could literally see the result of your
actions. For example revealing the bishop-raiders-ncr
relationship to vault city or curing Jet addiction. This was
not present in the first fallout and it had one big story,
which every event drove you towards. However I loved the
character development in the first fallout. It was continuous
and relevant througought the game, where as in Fallout 2,
everything was over when you were on lvl 18 and easy when on
24.

Fallout 2:
-Overally better game although
suffered from Diablo 2 syndrome, not on such degree
though
-Cause and the effect

Fallout 1:
-Game
with equal atmosphere and better character development as
opposed to F02
-The lacking visibility of cause and effect
and the relatvely short lenght compared to FO2 makes this game
inferior.

Mr.Balls
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Winson_Paine
Joined: Oct 27,
2000

I AM A
WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT. NOTHING I SAY HAS ANY VALUE, AND ALL
I DO IS TROLL. I NEED TO BE FUCKED IN THE ASS. ps. i <3
xbox to compensate for my tiny penis.

quote:

Hitogeki came out of the closet to say:
HAVE
YOU ALL IGNORED THE TRUTH?
they are never making fallout
3, no they are going to do what the lsl series did with lsl4
and go striaght ot the next one, I await theee fallout 4!

Three was Leisure Suit Larry 3:
Passionate Patti in Pursuit of the Pulsating Pectorals.

On research,
[url=http://www.reviewgames.com/pageIndex.htm?Reviews/Leisure_Suit_Larry_4/index.htm&0]HOLY
SHIT.{/url]

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Shalinor
Joined: Jun 10,
2002

quote:

Winson_Paine came out of the closet to say:

Three was Leisure Suit Larry 3:
Passionate Patti in Pursuit of the Pulsating Pectorals.

On research,
[url=http://www.reviewgames.com/pageIndex.htm?Reviews/Leisure_Suit_Larry_4/index.htm&0]HOLY
SHIT.{/url]

Interesting read. I still can't believe
AT&T bought a failing product for 100 million, though...
yeesh.

Jun 09, 2003: 12:37

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anotherone
Joined: Feb 07,
2001

Username taken,
please choose another one

quote:

CaptainScraps came out of the closet to say:

I'm for the inclusion of muffin mix within the
box. While we wait for it to install, we can make muffins
and then eat them while we're playing.

Pumpkin muffins plz

Jun 09, 2003: 12:43

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rope kid
Joined: Feb 03,
2001

dead baby

quote:

Mr.Balls came out of the closet to say:
I
don't know. To me fallout was always a story

fallout 1's primary plot is a fed-ex quest, for
christ's sake. its secondary plot is saving the world from an
army of SUPAR MUTANTS RARAARAARRR I AM AN ANGRY DINOSAUR COME
TO EAT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

quote:

and some of the posts resembled me of Diablo2-like
uber-powering of the character.

if anything, i think i have stated that i believe
fallout and fallout 2 produced late-game characters that were
ridiculously powerful, typically only killed by an enemy's
lucky critical hit. i am in favor of lowering overall skill
ranges and starting the weighted scale earlier (at 50 instead
of 100). how is this "uber-powering"?

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Zebadaiah
Joined: Jun 21,
2000

quote:

BoBtheImpaler came out of the closet to say:

What cartoon is it? I remember the quote,
but I can't place it.

It's the Warner Brothers one with that
hunter who pisses the duck off by shooting at him and the duck
goes fucking dingalingadingdong on him, screaming about how he
enjoys being shot at and stuff.

Also Mr. Balls, you
sound sort of spun dude. You even invented some new words
there.

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biteme
Joined: Jun 01,
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quote:

Mr.Balls came out of the closet to say:
I
don't know. To me fallout was always a story and some of the
posts resembled me of Diablo2-like uber-powering of the
character.

You would be right in the fact that
Fallout prides itself on it's depth, both on the story and in
the character.

The stat and skill related posts were
addressing the areas which were severely lacking in both FO1
and 2: Repair, First Aid, Doctor, and so on, as well as
revising existing skills to make more sense and balance it all
out.
For example, my post might have sounded to the casual
skimmer or reader like OMG MUNCHKIN!!!!!, but giving Endurance
and Luck a boost makes total sense since Strength and Agility
for example work bloody well already, and are not in danger of
being retardedly overpowered.

Instead of nerfing
Strength and Agility to provide a straightforward Diablo 2
type"okay, strength makes you hit people harder and Agility
kind of makes you fast and stuff" system, second fiddles End
and Luck get some help.

And with that in mind, the
rest of the whole affair gets tweaked and recobbled into a
more pleasing shape.

Kind of like ad&d 3rd
ED versus ad&d 2nd ED.

I never saw a post
suggesting anything along the lines of 'there should be rocket
launching vertibirds in FO3 with gauss minigun
turrets'.

quote:

However I loved the character development in the first
fallout. It was continuous and relevant througought the
game, where as in Fallout 2, everything was over when you
were on lvl 18 and easy when on 24.

This is more of a balance problem and not
anticipating the 95% of people who go to San Fran and get the
Adv PA blah blah blah when they hear this WICKED COOL TIP on a
messageboard.

Much less the people who just go through
it normally as the historically reliable small guns/speech
character and start wrecking carnage after they touch a gauss
rifle. And then they get Sniper and go through the rest of the
game aiming at the eyes.(an epidermic universally present in
Fallout 1 as well)

Accounting for the existing skill
system is the problem, not the skills.
And when the skills
need help already, you know there's a lot of changes to be
made and anyone not man enough to take the heat better STEP
OFF THE GRILL LOL

Again, this is like playing early
unpatched D2 and going frozen orb sorc or whirlwind
lancebarb.

I'm not going to talk about the story,
dialogue etc of 1 and 2 because it's a fairly subjective topic
around these parts. Rules discussion is less...chaotic.

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Shalinor
Joined: Jun 10,
2002

quote:

rope kid came out of the closet to say:

fallout 1's primary plot is a fed-ex quest, for
christ's sake. its secondary plot is saving the world from
an army of SUPAR MUTANTS RARAARAARRR I AM AN ANGRY DINOSAUR
COME TO EAT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

if anything, i think
i have stated that i believe fallout and fallout 2 produced
late-game characters that were ridiculously powerful,
typically only killed by an enemy's lucky critical hit. i am
in favor of lowering overall skill ranges and starting the
weighted scale earlier (at 50 instead of 100). how is this
"uber-powering"?

Hey, could we get an angry dinosaur eating
southern california in the next one? Preferably purple, that
sings catchy children's music?

As for not
overpowering characters... so long as you rescale -all-
development within that new range, it'd be fine. Characters
and skills develop slower, you don't turn into a god over the
course of the game, etc. I'd love for 70 in a skill to be
"good", with 100 being the most I'd ever really need...
advancing my skills to 170 and beyond just to be competant in
end-game seemed really, well, strange.

EDIT: VVVVV

quote:

CaptainScraps came out of the closet to say:

Blueberry.

Lemon, you fools. Lemon is the people's
muffin, with universal appeal.

Shalinor
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CaptainScraps
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quote:

anotherone came out of the closet to say:

Pumpkin muffins plz

Blueberry.

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quote:

Shalinor came out of the closet to say:
I'd
love for 70 in a skill to be "good", with 100 being the most
I'd ever really need...

dude u forgot heavy penalty skills checks
like stealing gatling lasers from an alert guard

edit: Chocolate chip muffins you fags

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Shalinor
Joined: Jun 10,
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quote:

biteme came out of the closet to say:
dude u
forgot heavy penalty skills checks like stealing gatling
lasers from an alert guard

edit: Chocolate chip muffins you fags

I should be able to stick dynamite down my
opponent's pants with a stealth of 80. Scale those damned
numbers down.

Also, I am willing to go with chocolate
chip muffins instead... but in the event that the muffin
argument devolves into an all-out muffin riot, pitting flavour
against flavour in a battle to the bloody death, I've got
lemon's back!

EDIT: VVVV

quote:

CaptainScraps came out of the closet to say:

Muffins aren't pancakes you fag. But see, a
tender, tarty flavor like blueberry can go in both.
Chocolate chips in muffins? Pfft. Go get yourself a fucking
cookie.

Oh no you din't!

I see you've never
sampled of the wonder that is a gigant chocolate-chip double
chocolate muffin, put in the microwave for 15 seconds so as to
make all of the chocolate chips melty and warm?

Cad :P

Shalinor
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CaptainScraps
Joined: Jan 31,
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quote:

biteme came out of the closet to say:

dude u forgot heavy penalty skills checks
like stealing gatling lasers from an alert guard

edit: Chocolate chip muffins you fags

Muffins aren't pancakes you fag. But see,
a tender, tarty flavor like blueberry can go in both.
Chocolate chips in muffins? Pfft. Go get yourself a fucking
cookie.

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TLG James
Joined: Jun 05,
2000

Old School Sierra FanBoy

I played one
of the fallout's and got killed by a scorpion within 5 minutes
of starting the game, I never really got into it.

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quote:

Shalinor came out of the closet to say:

I
should be able to stick dynamite down my opponent's pants
with a stealth of 80. Scale those damned numbers
down.

Also, I am willing to go with chocolate chip
muffins instead... but in the event that the muffin argument
devolves into an all-out muffin riot, pitting flavour
against flavour in a battle to the bloody death, I've got
lemon's back!

ya well what if hes not wearin
any

If the skills restructuring includes removing that
whole % thing, it'll make me sad(nostalgia
sad).

Stepping out of "100% is like 100%
chance!" territory is like venturing into...the
UNKNOWN

CHOCOLATE CHIP IS SOVEREIGN, INFIDELS
WILL BURN IN THE GLORY

quote:

CaptainScraps came out of the closet to say:

Muffins aren't pancakes you fag. But see, a
tender, tarty flavor like blueberry can go in both.
Chocolate chips in muffins? Pfft. Go get yourself a fucking
cookie.

This post is suffused with so much
FEY-NAGE I envisioned a pinz-nez wearing lipstick'd frenchman
shrilly advocating blueberry while flicking his wrist and
twitching his hips.

quest for a true-blooded chocolate
muffin fore u start h8in, cave-dwelling
peasant

edit: surreal spelling mistake lol

biteme fucked
around with this message at Jun 09, 2003 around
13:16

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Shalinor
Joined: Jun 10,
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quote:

TLG James came out of the closet to say:
I
played one of the fallout's and got killed by a scorpion
within 5 minutes of starting the game, I never really got
into it.

Go back. Play more. Get interested. Don't get
killed by a scorpion.

If you can get into Quest For
Glory, surely you can enjoy a good RPG.

The one
thing I saw in Arcanum that I hope they duplicate here is the
option of choosing "a class." It isn't forced by any means,
but it lets the "what the heck do I care about these skills?"
player just pick what they want to be and play the game. It
handles skill point assignments per level, etc - does
everything for them. All they do is pick a class (Fighter,
Thief, Diplomat, etc), get exp, and play the game.

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L-ShapedTetrisBlock
Joined: Nov 13,
2000

I always
thought it was dumb to have a Luck stat in the first place,
unless it was possible to win a GECK via a game of 5 card
stud.

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quote:

L-ShapedTetrisBlock came out of the closet to say:

I always thought it was dumb to have a Luck stat
in the first place, unless it was possible to win a GECK via
a game of 5 card stud.

I thought it had something to do with
unique random encounters or something.

It was also
kinda interesting in conjuction with the jinxed perk

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L-ShapedTetrisBlock
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quote:

LurchDawg came out of the closet to say:
I
thought it had something to do with unique random encounters
or something.

It was also kinda interesting in
conjuction with the jinxed perk

Yeah, I'm not saying they should get rid of
it, especially since it's the L in SPECIAL.

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pikacheney
Joined: Mar 14,
2002

nekton
fanboi

Maybe they'll
change the L to Lemon Pie. I like Lemon pie.

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L-ShapedTetrisBlock
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quote:

pikacheney came out of the closet to say:

Maybe they'll change the L to Lemon Pie. I like
Lemon pie.

don't waste more than 6 points on Lemon Pie
or you'll be pretty much gimped

Jun 09, 2003: 13:33

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Kaijin Noodle
Joined: Nov 03,
2002

I like to gas
minorities

quote:

rope kid came out of the closet to say:

fallout 1's primary plot is a fed-ex quest, for
christ's sake. its secondary plot is saving the world from
an army of SUPAR MUTANTS RARAARAARRR I AM AN ANGRY DINOSAUR
COME TO EAT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

if anything, i think
i have stated that i believe fallout and fallout 2 produced
late-game characters that were ridiculously powerful,
typically only killed by an enemy's lucky critical hit. i am
in favor of lowering overall skill ranges and starting the
weighted scale earlier (at 50 instead of 100). how is this
"uber-powering"?

I agree with the second part, and I
believe that they are referring to the atmosphere and
backstory from the first game.

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pikacheney
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2002

nekton
fanboi

quote:

L-ShapedTetrisBlock came out of the closet to say:

don't waste more than 6 points on Lemon Pie or
you'll be pretty much gimped

fuk u fag i have level 9 lemon pie and i can
beat da last boss in pie eating chalenjge

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Shalinor
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quote:

L-ShapedTetrisBlock came out of the closet to say:

don't waste more than 6 points on Lemon Pie or
you'll be pretty much gimped

... but if you take the Master Baker perk,
the Lemon Pie stat really becomes useful. NPCs all around you
start botching their dough roll-outs, and their crusts come
out burned or half-cooked.

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Decline
Joined: Apr 19,
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If you manage
to complete the Baker's Dozen quest, Duncan Hines gives you
the Boston Cream recipe. Once you bake it, your character is
pretty much unstoppable.

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pikacheney
Joined: Mar 14,
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nekton
fanboi

Pretty
much unstoppable. Pretty much is the key word here, you
can easily be taken out by Deathclaws because they have 95%
Egg Resistance.

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Shalinor
Joined: Jun 10,
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quote:

pikacheney came out of the closet to say:

Pretty much unstoppable. Pretty much is
the key word here, you can easily be taken out by Deathclaws
because they have 95% Egg Resistance.

That's because you're using FE (fatty eggs).
You have to use SE (Simply Eggs), the fat-free egg substitute
- they have no reistances to that.

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pikacheney
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nekton
fanboi

Damn I never
thought about that, maybe now I'll beat the Baked Alaska quest
that I've been so longing for.

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Kalden99
Joined: Dec 26,
2002

Blarg

I think the
only reason people were/are so taken by and sing the praises
of the Fallout series was not because of some epic storyline
(Come on both games start off exactly the same, "Oh noes! We r
dyin! Find thing an bring bak 4 us kay!?") And not for the
extremely balanced gameplay either (Look at me! *HEADSHOT*
*HEADSHOT* *HEADSHOT* I shot gun well!) But I think it was for
three reason that Fallout was so loved.

1) It gets as
non-liniar as a classic RPG can get while still hearding you
down the main stroyline. Sure you can run right off and start
searching for that item for your Tribe. But where is the fun
in that when you can run over to San Francisco and compete in
a fighting tournament. This aspect was well done, allowing you
to expirement and try different avenues will still keeping
your main goal in your sights.

2) It was a very well
thought out world. The atmosphere was execellent as was all
the item and weapon design. All the man made stuff had that
retro-high tech feel to it, like it was right out of a 1950's
pulp comic. Even all the mutants screamed of the 50's comic
era where Radation caused all sorts of mundane things to
mutate into nasty creaturs.

3) The game was filled
with both witty and mature content. While the storyline was
your standard fare, that dosen't mean it was poorly written.
Much of the dialoge was smart and funny as well as geared to
the adult mind. What other game out there allows you become a
Made Man and a Porn Star? That and many of the Easter Eggs
were very amusing.

It was these three reason that
Fallout was a good series. As long as they keep with the
non-liniar nature, keep that 1950's era feel to the game and
use the same script writers they can completely change the
whole skill system for all I care because it was the feel of
the game that made it great, not the mechanics and the story.

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quote:

rope kid came out of the closet to say:

fallout 1's primary plot is a fed-ex quest, for
christ's sake. its secondary plot is saving the world from
an army of SUPAR MUTANTS RARAARAARRR I AM AN ANGRY DINOSAUR
COME TO EAT SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

FUCK YOU SPOILER TAGS YOU FUCKING
SHITHEAD JESUS

quote:

Kalden99 came out of the closet to say:
3) The
game was filled with both witty and mature content. While
the storyline was your standard fare, that dosen't mean it
was poorly written. Much of the dialoge was smart and funny
as well as geared to the adult mind. What other game out
there allows you become a Made Man and a Porn Star?

Vice City

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Jorath
Joined: Jul 09,
2001

quote:

Zebadaiah came out of the closet to say:

Wonder what those green things are supposed to be

If you mean the green hexes, they are a part
of the editor. They indicate hexes that have special
properties (entrance grid, for example).

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quote:

Donkeylips came out of the closet to say:
Link
to robot wallpaper?

Here you go: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=558326&highlight=gasbot

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CaptainScraps
Joined: Jan 31,
2003

Trust me,
when you face the final boss in that iron-chef showdown,
you'll be glad you didn't invest in the lemon pie. The judge
likes CREME BRULEE, the worthless skill you never thought
you'd need.

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biteme
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Newbie cooks
who invest in strength to whip their eggwhites by hand are
short-sighted elitists who will never know the sheer utility
in baking twice as many pies just for a few points in
mechanical skill and some inventory space.
Let's see how
your stash of THREE WELL CRAFTED PIES stand up to a fire gecko
swarm, 'chefs'. Hah!

Jun 09, 2003: 15:08

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CaptainScraps
Joined: Jan 31,
2003

quote:

biteme came out of the closet to say:
Newbie
cooks who invest in strength to whip their eggwhites by hand
are short-sighted elitists who will never know the sheer
utility in baking twice as many pies just for a few points
in mechanical skill and some inventory space.
Let's see
how your stash of THREE WELL CRAFTED PIES stand up to a fire
gecko swarm, 'chefs'. Hah!

They will if they're mince pies, fool.

Jun 09, 2003: 15:21

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Zebadaiah
Joined: Jun 21,
2000

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Jorath came out of the closet to say:

If
you mean the green hexes, they are a part of the editor.
They indicate hexes that have special properties (entrance
grid, for example).

These? http://www.freewebs.com/f2modding/rap1p1.JPG

Jun 09, 2003: 15:22

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EVIL JEFF K
Joined: Aug 11,
2000

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I suppose
this has already been said a bajillion times, but I feel it
needs to be emphasized:

Jehova, Buddah, Allah, our dark
lord satan or whichever god, please let this game be from an
isometric viewpoint.

Jun 09, 2003: 15:25

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